THE PROVOCATION: The belief that women are universally hated by the male gender is so patently absurd that it's laughable. Do all males hate their mothers? Their wives? Their sisters? Their girlfriends? The statement of that belief by a woman who has, presumably, never been inside a male's head to confirm it, is audacious to say the least. More than that, it's bigoted. But this isn't about Budapest's bigotry. (I've written about this before, and I won't recapitulate it here.) It's about people who indirectly promote such bigotry in the name of what they call inclusion and diversity.
I will preface what follows by saying that yes, I believe in freedom of speech. Z Budapest has every right to spew her bigotry on her blog and in the company of friends or wherever. But I equally have the right - indeed, the responsibility - to condemn such speech in no uncertain terms. Moreover, I believe I have the ethical duty to withhold my support from any event, individual or organization that gives such speech a platform.
When I dared to state this on my Facebook profile the other night, I was challenged by a "friend" who went by the screen name of Earendel Pagan. I did not know this person's true identity, or even, in fact, that she was using a screen name. I have more than 2,700 "friends" on this social medium, and I don't pretend to know all of them intimately.
The person in question proceeded to debate that the issue of bigotry was complicated, arguing that Z Budapest should be given a forum at PantheaCon in the name of diversity. That Paganism is not a "homogeneous blob."
"Does this mean mainstream Muslims should accept suicide bombers in the name of diversity?" I asked.
What did we think of Muslims who failed to condemn 9/11? What do we think of the Vatican when it covers for child-molesting priests? How are Pagans acting any more responsibly in failing to condemn hate speech toward men, transgender individuals or anyone else? I'll tell you how: With extreme cowardice. I don't care about Z Budapest's past, her reputation or her previous contributions to the Pagan community. Such speech cannot and should not be allowed to stand.
I personally will not stand by quietly and simply accept this kind of hatred in the name of diversity, inclusiveness and some inner hope that we can all sing Kumbaya around the bonfire. Yes, inclusiveness is important. But it MUST have limits, or a community will lose all sense of definition. It will become, to use my critic's word, a "blob" - but not a homogeneous one, an amorphous and meaningless one.
Boundaries are important, even crucial, in creating any community. But some people apparently have the notion that erecting boundaries is tantamount to intolerance - even if those boundaries are created specifically against the people who were exhibiting intolerance in the first place. Sound Orwellian? Ironic in a very Alanis sort of way? Sure does to me.
My point in that discussion was, and remains, that people of conscience must stand up against intolerance by creating clear and firm boundaries against it. If I, as the organizer of an event, allow someone to promote hatred and bigotry in a forum I created, I become responsible for promoting that message myself. It was with this in mind that I stated the following: I could not in good conscience attend events, such as PantheaCon, at which such presentations are given. In paying my entrance fee, I would feel as though I were indirectly condoning - and financially supporting - such behavior. This I simply cannot and will not do.
In stating this, my critic, the aforementioned "Earendel Pagan" (I use this name in quotes because it is not her real name) repeatedly sought to argue with me in the name of diversity. As though promoting someone who sought to EXCLUDE men and transgender individuals from an event was somehow an INCLUSIVE stance. If you promote bigotry, you simply can't call yourself inclusive. It's nonsensical. You simply can't have it both ways.
When I got tired of arguing with the person and defriended her, I was in for quite a surprise. I got a message, which I will quote verbatim here, on my private Facebook e-mail: "I take it this means you have no interest in ever contributing to Patheos again? [signed] Star Foster." My first reaction was to question whether this person actually WAS Star Foster, who edits Pagan material for Patheos (anyone can claim to be anyone or anything online). But sure enough, when I viewed her Facebook "fan page," I got my answer: Star Foster was complaining that someone had defriended her over what she termed a civil discussion.
Well, here's my public answer to Star Foster. First of all, I am, indeed, NOT interested in contributing to Patheos in the future. It is certainly Patheos' right not to publish my material. But if Patheos is invoking that right (boundary) - as it has every right to do - simply because I defriended someone writing on MY Facebook timeline under an ASSUMED NAME, how on Earth can it justify NOT setting a boundary against Z Budapest's hatred? In the name of inclusion? Diversity? I suppose that only applies to people who denigrate others' gender and gender identity. Not to people who have the audacity to *gasp* draw a boundary and defriend you on Facebook.
Are our priorities as a society truly that warped? Well, certainly, if Patheos (aka Star Foster, aka Earendel Pagan, aka who knows what else - I have to wonder whether "Star" is her real name any more than Earendel is) wants to champion those priorities, I wouldn't contribute to that particular publication again if I were paid a handsome sum to do so. I have more self-respect than that. A whole lot more.
If speaking out forcefully against hate and bigotry makes some people uncomfortable, that's a good thing - because becoming comfortable with such things leads to something far worse: a lack of awareness that they even exist. If we turn a blind eye to intolerance for the sake of tolerance, we are only furthering the very thing we say we're fighting against. At times, that takes confrontation. It takes standing up for one's ethics and risking a bit of backlash. It takes drawing a boundary forcefully and assertively.
That's what I have done here, and I make no apologies for it. I have neither advocated censoring Z Budapest's blog nor proposed curtailing her right to speak freely. She has a right to say whatever she wants, short of inciting a riot, on her blog and be friends with whomever she wishes on Facebook or via any other social medium. I claim for myself the same right. I am not saying she should be silenced, but rather ignored. I am calling upon men and women of good conscience not to listen, not to promote such ideas and not to give bigotry a voice. I will continue to do precisely this, despite what others who might be more well known in some Pagan quarters might think. Because, as Edmund Burke famously said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I've had my own run-ins with Star Foster. She made several grossly inaccurate statements about the history of Samhain, including the statement that Halloween was 'not a Christian holiday."
ReplyDeleteWhen I politely corrected her, she blocked me from posting on Patheos.
Since that time, I've suggested that my Pagan friends avoid Patheos and Star Foster.
Thanks for the heads-up about Z Budapest as well!
I remember after last year's PantheaCon she was complaining bitterly that people weren't bowing down before Wicca as "the mother of all traditions" at the same time she was raging against their colossal gall at using "clearly Wiccan elements" in their rituals, such as working within a circle, calling four quarters, having a Priestess, etc.
DeleteBasically, it was the inventor of stew trying to sue farmers for raising beef and potatoes without giving her all the credit.
One can of course state, with no danger of being wrong, that Z Budapest is a humongous blob. What I find mysterious is that anyone can take a word that she says seriously.
ReplyDeleteThank you for such a wonderful article. I might direct you to www.pagancenteredpodcast.com they have a theory about patheos and star foster that you really should hear. Btw, I have been blocked by star foster for questioning her about her statements made against ecclectics and against Andrew Bowen of Project Conversion on beliefnet. I posted an article about star on my blog. I also posted a different view of the pantheacon issue. Keep in mind I have nothing against transgendered people who have already fully made the transition. I take issue with those who haven't trying to push their way into a risky situation where someone may feel sexually assaulted (ie someone still physically male trying to join a female only skyclad ritual). My blog is thesatyrsthicket.blogspot.com
ReplyDeleteDo you have a direct link for the blog post or podcast you are mentioning about their POV on Star & Patheos, on PCP? I could not find it in a search of the website. I am very interested in reading/hearing it. =) Thank you.
DeleteDear Mr. Provost,
ReplyDeleteYes.
No, wait, YES!
The whole inclusion-in-the-name-of-diversity issue is filled with double standards. If you are going to include someone who is exclusionary in one way (in the name of inclusiveness), you'll have to be willing to include anyone & everyone with such leanings, i.e., ethnically/racially exclusive recons, etc. I just don't think folks are ready to swallow that bitter pill in its entirety.
Sadly, such double-standards of "inclusivity" abound.
I am disappointed to learn about the deceptive, petty & childish manner in which things were handled. It casts a very different light on the Patheos management.
Thank you for your willingness to express doubt, consternation & disapproval plainly & publicly. All too often in our community folks cower under the shadow of "nice-nice," especially in the face of popular, established &/or legendary personages. We need to accept that sometimes, people are just wrong & it is ok to say so.
Mr Provost
ReplyDeleteI try to attend as many Pagan fairs and festivals as I can and a couple of years ago came across Z. Budapest.
In the case of Z Budapest, she was a speaker at one such festival and I, personally, even as a woman was very uncomfortable with what she was teaching and her obvious real and true hatred for men. She made me very uncomfortable. I stayed for about 5 minutes of one of her lectures and then quietly excused myself but heard quite a bit more from the vending area (I had friends there I could retreat to).
I found it disturbing that so many women in attendance found her to be so inspirational and expressed that just meeting Z. was the best thing that ever happened to them and they were going to go out and buy all of her books right away. In a way, I felt sorry for them. As though they had perhaps come to the festival at a time when they might have been a little weak, in a bad relationship maybe or whatever it might have been and that Z. took advantage of that vulnerability. Blame everything on men, men are the root of all our problems. It seemed to me that Z Budapest exploited these women, found their weakness and stuck her finger in the wound and pressed really hard and said it was all man's fault then claimed she was their prophet.
So, there is not only a "heads up" but an actual experience concerning Z. Budapest. I, personally will steer clear of her and advise my friends to do the same.
I've been torn over this and was vocal on Star's post at Patheos yesterday and continued to talk about it with my wife and others when the situation permitted over the last 24 hours.
ReplyDeleteAs Mr. Provost indicated above, it is bigotry. There's no way around that. I oppose it in every way that I can.
However, letters like the one sent to the editors at PNC-Minnesota (https://pncminnesota.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/letter-to-the-editor-ciswomen-only-ritual-at-pantheacon/) make me feel like there is a place for this sort of ritual if it would have been presented and offered in a way that was not antagonistic and offensive.
It maybe that Z. Budapest is not the person who could officiate such a ceremony without the personal bias that she holds, but I worry that in the name of opposing her bigotry, we will end up ending an avenue of worship for people who want/need it.
I think that there is a place for such a ritual, but not as a public ritual at Pantheacon. If Ms Budapest had decided to have such a ritual in one of the hospitality suites, then there would have been no problem. People hold private rituals at P'con all the time, but in the hospitality suites or one of the rooms. Putting it out on the floor like that and slapping the ridiculous label, "Genetic Women Only!" on it (so reminiscent of the "Whites Only" signs from my childhood) is just poking old wounds. Z knew what she was doing. She had to, or else she's completely out of it.
DeleteThis appears to be a misunderstanding. I contacted Star about this because it didn't sound quite right. She was shocked that Mr. Provost took her words that way. She said she was trying to ensure that your personal disagreement didn't carry over into your professional relationship and that you would continue to write for Patheos.
ReplyDeleteShe's also not been a fan of Z and hasn't defended Z's bigoted views (bigoted is the word Star used to describe them).
This seems to have been a misunderstanding brought on by high emotions and the problems that communicating on social media (rather than face to face or on the phone) tends to breed.
Cara Schulz
Thing is though, cis people should not be the ones to decide what is an acceptable level of transphobic bigotry in the community. Essentially, Star is being a fence-sitter on the issue, saying "well I don't agree with the transphobes... but they can stay right here if they want." All in the name of ~freedom of religion~ (which, by the way, is the same exact excuse used by bigoted politicians who use their power to oppress LGBT folks). Not cool.
DeleteEvery person in a community are the ones to decide what is acceptable and not acceptable within their community. In fact, every person has a duty to the community to be involved in setting the ethics and boundaries and balancing needs. I think the discussion that is happening in our community is healthy and productive and I would encourage people to be involved in it and not sideline themselves because they are not directly affected.
DeleteI quoted Ms. Foster's Facebook e-mail to me directly. Had she wished to convey the message you describe, it could she could have easily used words similar to those you used here. She did not. Instead, she said, "I take it this means you have no interest in ever contributing to Patheos again?" There is absolutely no way this could have been construed as, "I hope this personal disagreement doesn't keep us from working together in the future."
ReplyDeleteMr. Provost,
ReplyDeleteI, nor is anyone here, privy to your personal email communication. I can only relay the conversation I had with her in a G+ hangout so I could see her face. She was surprised. She also posted a reply on G+ to you since she is blocked from commenting on here. I think there are many times, especially on social media, when someone is positive they understand what someone else means and later they find out that is not the case. Heh...I've been there.
I won't and can't say I know with 100% certainty what Star meant. I can only relay the conversation I had with her and the expression on her face as I talked to her. That's it.
BTW - as an aside she created the Earendel Pagan account on facebook to separate her private account from her work account.
Sweetheart, *I* saw the FB message myself. What Steve says it said is what it said. He copied and pasted it here into his blog. I can send you a screenshot. We saved it, it is still there.
ReplyDeleteAre you calling him a liar? Well, that is not going to fly. Steve Provost is a well respected journalist and is NOT a liar.
What has probably happened is that Star Foster has realized that most pagans back Steve and I up in this transgendered controversy and she is now backpedaling.
Star is not blocked from commenting nor from emailing Steve and apologizing.
Samaire,
ReplyDeleteI'm unclear why you are reacting in a hostile manner towards me. I have not called anyone a liar. I have related my discussion and observations on that discussion along with the rather startling idea that communication on social media platforms can, even in calmest of times, engender misunderstandings. Throw in high emotion and you have a situation ripe for misunderstandings.
Which you have just demonstrated.
Your sweetheart,
Cara Schulz
Refreshing to see that ultra conservative Republican fundamentalists are not the only ones who behave like 3 year olds who haven't had their nap yet.
ReplyDeleteKudos on following your values and having nothing to do with a bigot, Mr. Provost.
The issue is more than just a black and white one, there's a lot of nuance involved, and various shades of gray. Modern Paganism began as an initiatory tradition, as a result it's always been exclusionary. Covens have the right to reject people, and should reject people when they feel that person doesn't share the same values or beliefs.
ReplyDeleteDo I agree with Z? Absolutely not, but she does represent a large strain of Modern Pagan Religion (which is extremely diverse of course). I'm sure Z has had a positive influence on many women, and as a Pagan of note she certainly belongs at Pantheacon. You can argue that perhaps her ritual doesn't belong, but she certainly does. People disagree all the time, disagreement does not equal hatred or loathing, disagreement opens the door for dialogue, dialogue is what eventually fixes problems. Z says stupid offensive things from time to time, but it's even more offensive and stupid to try and censor her.